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If you've seen firsthand what a drug like meth does to a person
If you've seen firsthand what a drug like meth does to a person, it makes you think twice about the ideal that everyone has the right to put whatever they want into their body/mind. Ask for the Zetas. So can water. The difference between a hit of meth in your hand and a punk standing over your head with a rifle pointed at your temple should be obvious. The difference between a hit of meth in your pipe and the unrelenting human suffering that goes on in America's overflowing prisons should be obvious. It is the difference between personal choice and the consequences thereof,[link widoczny dla zalogowanych], versus violence imposed upon you by another, completely out of your control. It's because I know better, not because there's a law against it. I'm 100% in favor of decriminalization for these reasons and more; that's different than full-blown legalization, though. Remember that part of Portugal's successful program is getting as many addicts as possible into (state-funded) rehab/treatment. As the cops stand down, we also need the doctors to stand up.-----itistoday 890 days ago | link
I'm 100% in favor of decriminalization for these reasons and more; that's different than full-blown legalization, though. We should stop coming up with excuses for sending people to prison. Prisons don't create model citizens, they are a breeding ground for suffering and are a waste of human potential. It's a function minimization problem. Minimize suffering(x). I dare say that prisons likely have the lowest efficacy of any social program in the history of the world. :PThat aside, prohibition being evil and ineffective doesn't change the fact that drugs are dangerous. The worst ones are capable of altering a person's judgment and personality,[link widoczny dla zalogowanych], and creating harm to others. Taking prohibition away solves the problem of prohibition; it does very little for the problem of addiction.(For that matter, I'm also in favor of socialized mental health care, which could be a highly effective harm reduction technique for drug addiction and alcoholism, but for some reason you get labeled a freedom-hating commie for suggesting such things.) Razz

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Cars are dangerous. Sky diving is dangerous. My mother can barely read a sentence in a paper at the moment. And this is before we consider the addictive drugs that are pumped into burgers, fries,[link widoczny dla zalogowanych], milkshakes, sweets and all the dodgy fast food being sold today across the world. Oh,[link widoczny dla zalogowanych], sorry, I mean 'food additives'. They are hypocritical fools.-----lukifer 890 days ago | link
My saying that drugs are dangerous is different than saying that drugs are inherently bad. I consider recreational drug use to be akin to mountain climbing: a safe, healthy hobby which will fucking kill you in you're not careful. :PAnyway,[link widoczny dla zalogowanych], you're arguing with the wrong guy. Smile

Drugs should not have anything to do with the criminal justice system, period. But to say that drugs aren't a problem worth taking seriously is ridiculous; not because drugs are evil,[link widoczny dla zalogowanych], but because people are people. Alcoholism is a real problem. So is compulsive gambling, manic depression, and yes, drug addiction. We can take proactive steps to deal with that problem without turning people into criminals.-----rick888 890 days ago | link
"If someone wants to buy marijuana, then it only makes sense for there to be someone who sells it. Otherwise you still have a problem."Should we legalize child porn (there is a demand)?There are many things that have demand, but shouldn't be legalized. I'm not saying pot is one of them, but you aren't making a very good convincing argument."This is a problem that most programmers should be familiar with. It's a function minimization problem. Minimize suffering(x)."Who's suffering? People that want to put drugs in their body? It's something you choose to do. You aren't born with a joint in your mouth."As the cops stand down, we also need the doctors to stand up."Why can't pot smokers just admit that the reason they want pot legalized is so they can get high? It has very little health benefit. If you know that the government will just "rehabilitate" you,[link widoczny dla zalogowanych], more people will be willing to try thinks like heroine and cocaine. Why can't we just learn from the past instead of continuing to repeat mistakes?-----chc 889 days ago | link
The argument isn't convincing if you rephrase it as "If there is even the tiniest amount of demand for something, it should be legal."That isn't at all what he said,[link widoczny dla zalogowanych], though. He was talking about the issue of partial decriminalization vs. Everything seems to be rainbows and unicorns when it comes to pot. Pot changes people that smoke it regularly. It never fails. All of my friends that smoke it regularly have had absolutely no ambition in their lives and are still in pretty much the same positions they were in high school (it's been 11 years). I shouldn't have to pay for you mistakes.-----danenania 889 days ago | link
Maybe you just have a lot of deadbeat friends? Some of the most intelligent and successful people I know are regular pot smokers,[link widoczny dla zalogowanych], and many intelligent and successful people will tell you the same (just read the darn thread). You should try doing some research and expanding your horizons before making blanket generalizations about topics you don't understand.-----chc 889 days ago | link
Most of your comment has literally nothing to do with the topic (I didn't discuss health impacts at all, much less claim that pot is completely harmless). The small portion that does touch on the topic completely misrepresents or outright ignores what I said. I think you should examine your thought processes on this topic, because you seem to have some strong feelings that prevent you from discussing it rationally. I'm not saying you're right or wrong in your opinion - just that your responses seem more like a strongly felt emotional reaction than a thoughtful examination of the facts and arguments presented to you.-----zeraholladay 890 days ago | link
I think there's a valid point: we're not totally free agents. There might be some chemicals that are too addictive. For example, the cigarette companies refined tobacco to make it more addictive, enslaving millions to an addictive carcinogen. I say decides,[link widoczny dla zalogowanych], because the consequences of doing these drugs might just mean you become an addict. We also need to have tort reform.-----anthonyb 890 days ago | link
But you are paying,[link widoczny dla zalogowanych], for drug enforcement and imprisonment. Plus increased taxation,[link widoczny dla zalogowanych], because people who are incarcerated generally aren't working steady jobs, but are stamping licence plates or something stupid like that. Also, businesses should have the ability to fire a drug addict at any time. Plus increased taxation, because people who are incarcerated generally aren't working steady jobs, but are stamping licence plates or something stupid like that."Generally, those people would otherwise have low-paying jobs and wouldn't be contributing very much anyway. The people in prison aren't your daily pot smoker. They are dealers and people who committed crimes while under the influence of an illegal substance.50% of the population already doesn't pay federal taxes. If we are going to go after revenue,[link widoczny dla zalogowanych], we should start with this."Would you fire someone who drank? or smoked? or was obese? They're equally addicted."Smoking cigarettes and obesity don't get you high, which has profound effects on your state-of-mind. All of these also shouldn't be under the same category as "discrimination" because they are choices you make (freedom can have consequences) not uncontrollable qualities that you are born with.-----prodigal_erik 890 days ago | link
The people in prison aren't your daily pot smoker,[link widoczny dla zalogowanych]. They are dealers[.]That distinction has become meaningless. Anyone who gets caught with more than the "intent to distribute" threshold (which apparently isn't a lot) is simply presumed to be a dealer.-----rick888 890 days ago | link
"That distinction has become meaningless. Anyone who gets caught with more than the "intent to distribute" threshold (which apparently isn't a lot) is simply presumed to be a dealer."It's more than just quantity:"Anyway,[link widoczny dla zalogowanych], several things can determine intent, including quantity. Anyone that has anything negative to say about your precious weed gets down voted. If you really believe in this, you need to come to terms with the fact that there are negative health effects to smoking weed.-----carussell 888 days ago | link
Rather than whine about it, perhaps you should examine why you got voted down. Your brain doesn't care if you get counseling. It just wants its next high. If you can't get that next high from a computer game, you'll certainly want it from something more powerful (and in most cases, harmful). I'm surprised you haven't mentioned the neurological effects of using drugs like cocaine.-----相关的主题文章：

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